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		<title>by: Stephen Billing</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32998</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:49:34 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi, I think that you are talking about CoP as a category of software. This reminds me of the CRM debate - CRM can be seen as software or as a philosophy. 

In this case CoP has become a term to mean a certain kind of software, to enable people, presumably remote from each other, to do certain things together. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi, I think that you are talking about CoP as a category of software. This reminds me of the CRM debate - CRM can be seen as software or as a philosophy. </p>
	<p>In this case CoP has become a term to mean a certain kind of software, to enable people, presumably remote from each other, to do certain things together.
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		<title>by: John Tropea</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32996</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:56:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Stephen,

I tell new facilitators that I'm not creating them a CoP, but instead an online space where they can communicate, coordinate and share. Their community already exists, I'm just helping them with an online space to carry on.

They are sick of email chain discussions and want more than a telecon, they want something where you can perpetually be aware of what everyone is up to.

Our software is called &quot;CoPs&quot;, which is a drag since they are not only being used by cross-functional interest groups. These same tools are being used for support, ideas, team tasks, etc... 
Anyway, when teams and cross-functional groups are located all over the world, and online space makes it feel local.

Of course software is not defining the group, but software helps to overcome the limitation, or instead complement, synchronous communications.
All communications, coordination can be public by default (compared to email being private by default). When you think of it knowledge work (conversations) will be in the open...now managers can understand what people really do.

Also an online space, makes people visible, an engaging place to hang out, to sensemake, to build a reputation.

In this post I mentioned our online CoPs are empowering http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/05/11/enabling-communities/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Stephen,</p>
	<p>I tell new facilitators that I&#8217;m not creating them a CoP, but instead an online space where they can communicate, coordinate and share. Their community already exists, I&#8217;m just helping them with an online space to carry on.</p>
	<p>They are sick of email chain discussions and want more than a telecon, they want something where you can perpetually be aware of what everyone is up to.</p>
	<p>Our software is called &#8220;CoPs&#8221;, which is a drag since they are not only being used by cross-functional interest groups. These same tools are being used for support, ideas, team tasks, etc&#8230;<br />
Anyway, when teams and cross-functional groups are located all over the world, and online space makes it feel local.</p>
	<p>Of course software is not defining the group, but software helps to overcome the limitation, or instead complement, synchronous communications.<br />
All communications, coordination can be public by default (compared to email being private by default). When you think of it knowledge work (conversations) will be in the open&#8230;now managers can understand what people really do.</p>
	<p>Also an online space, makes people visible, an engaging place to hang out, to sensemake, to build a reputation.</p>
	<p>In this post I mentioned our online CoPs are empowering <a href='http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/05/11/enabling-communities/' rel='nofollow'>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/05/11/enabling-communities/</a>
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		<title>by: Stephen Billing</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32994</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:04:37 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32994</guid>
					<description>This may be a bit of a dumb question, or one that is missing the totally obvious, but why do teams need software? 

I have run lots of teams without software. I also don't see why CoPs need software - Wenger's book called Communities of Practice focused on insurance assessors who did not have special software, rather their CoP evolved from their work practices. In fact, you could argue that it only became a CoP when Wenger defined it as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This may be a bit of a dumb question, or one that is missing the totally obvious, but why do teams need software? </p>
	<p>I have run lots of teams without software. I also don&#8217;t see why CoPs need software - Wenger&#8217;s book called Communities of Practice focused on insurance assessors who did not have special software, rather their CoP evolved from their work practices. In fact, you could argue that it only became a CoP when Wenger defined it as such.
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		<title>by: John Tropea</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32844</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32844</guid>
					<description>Actually Nancy, you put this in such a pithy way that it should have been the intro to my subsequent post &quot;Conversations that revolve around task objects&quot;

http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/conversations-that-revolve-around-task-objects/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually Nancy, you put this in such a pithy way that it should have been the intro to my subsequent post &#8220;Conversations that revolve around task objects&#8221;</p>
	<p><a href='http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/conversations-that-revolve-around-task-objects/' rel='nofollow'>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/conversations-that-revolve-around-task-objects/</a>
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		<title>by: Nancy White</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32843</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32843</guid>
					<description>Absolutely - software must respond to the set of activities of a group. Nodding in total agreement! And further more, the software should be easy enough to use so that as their activities evolve, they can use the software in different ways. Not be prisoner to a specific path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Absolutely - software must respond to the set of activities of a group. Nodding in total agreement! And further more, the software should be easy enough to use so that as their activities evolve, they can use the software in different ways. Not be prisoner to a specific path.
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		<title>by: John Tropea</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32835</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hear what you say Nancy...

I guess my post is a general framework, I was attempting to explain the dynamics, but yes there is a blur

Actually I split this post into two, so tomorrow's post will reveal my motivation I guess.

The issue I'm having is that teams need software that is designed more than for just sharing and learning, they need it to revolve around tasks eg. Basecamp vs Clearspace
In this case if a CoP needs to do tasks as well, then they may be better off using Basecamp over Clearspace as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I hear what you say Nancy&#8230;</p>
	<p>I guess my post is a general framework, I was attempting to explain the dynamics, but yes there is a blur</p>
	<p>Actually I split this post into two, so tomorrow&#8217;s post will reveal my motivation I guess.</p>
	<p>The issue I&#8217;m having is that teams need software that is designed more than for just sharing and learning, they need it to revolve around tasks eg. Basecamp vs Clearspace<br />
In this case if a CoP needs to do tasks as well, then they may be better off using Basecamp over Clearspace as well.
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		<title>by: Nancy White</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32834</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/12/team-based-cops-compared-to-cross-functional-cops/#comment-32834</guid>
					<description>Hiya John

Etienne Wenger has some great slides and comments about how teams and Cops differ. Right now here is the one I can find, but there was a different one I had in mind! http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/1317.html 

 I think it is slightly tricky to use what software a group uses as an indicator though, because people use software in very creative and often unexpected ways. ;-) But for me, the clearest distinguishing indicator is the purpose: teams have a shared task with interrelated goals. CoPs have learning as their agenda. 

Simplifications aside, the bottom line, the one really important thing I've learned from Etienne is not to get hung up on if a formation is a team or a CoP, but be able to examine the group's practices from  a perspective that helps either make sense of the group or aid in its design and functioning. So we can actually look at teams with a CoP perspective if we care about their learning, and CoPs from a team perspective when a CoP decides to do a project together (which is something CoPs often do - one of the 9 &quot;orientation&quot; we have laid out in the upcoming book, if we ever fricken finish it! ;-)

Does that make any sense? 





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hiya John</p>
	<p>Etienne Wenger has some great slides and comments about how teams and Cops differ. Right now here is the one I can find, but there was a different one I had in mind! <a href='http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/1317.html' rel='nofollow'>http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/1317.html</a> </p>
	<p> I think it is slightly tricky to use what software a group uses as an indicator though, because people use software in very creative and often unexpected ways. <img src='http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But for me, the clearest distinguishing indicator is the purpose: teams have a shared task with interrelated goals. CoPs have learning as their agenda. </p>
	<p>Simplifications aside, the bottom line, the one really important thing I&#8217;ve learned from Etienne is not to get hung up on if a formation is a team or a CoP, but be able to examine the group&#8217;s practices from  a perspective that helps either make sense of the group or aid in its design and functioning. So we can actually look at teams with a CoP perspective if we care about their learning, and CoPs from a team perspective when a CoP decides to do a project together (which is something CoPs often do - one of the 9 &#8220;orientation&#8221; we have laid out in the upcoming book, if we ever fricken finish it! <img src='http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Does that make any sense?
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