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	<title>Comments on: When will Grazr let you create OPML Outlines?</title>
	<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/</link>
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		<title>by: Johnt</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31832</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31832</guid>
					<description>Tony,

In regards to OPML Utils, you said:
&quot;Are you actually asking here for an opml file of your tags? that is, an opml file that points to feeds for each tag? ie a tag based delicious browser?&quot;

What I'm saying is that if all of your del.icio.us tags had an OPML this would be an OPML Link List (all nodes are HTML links).

So if I put my del.icio.us tag OPML in Grazr I could see all my bookmarks for that tag, of course if I click on one it would launch to the native site as you can't read this in Grazr unlike Bitty.

So, all my del.icio.us tags would have an OPML (ie. each being an OPML Link List), and my del.icio.us account would also have a general OPML. If I put this general OPML into Grazr what you would get it a mother OPML Link List, where all the tags are OPML includes.

....all I've said so far has nothing to do with feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tony,</p>
	<p>In regards to OPML Utils, you said:<br />
&#8220;Are you actually asking here for an opml file of your tags? that is, an opml file that points to feeds for each tag? ie a tag based delicious browser?&#8221;</p>
	<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that if all of your del.icio.us tags had an OPML this would be an OPML Link List (all nodes are HTML links).</p>
	<p>So if I put my del.icio.us tag OPML in Grazr I could see all my bookmarks for that tag, of course if I click on one it would launch to the native site as you can&#8217;t read this in Grazr unlike Bitty.</p>
	<p>So, all my del.icio.us tags would have an OPML (ie. each being an OPML Link List), and my del.icio.us account would also have a general OPML. If I put this general OPML into Grazr what you would get it a mother OPML Link List, where all the tags are OPML includes.</p>
	<p>&#8230;.all I&#8217;ve said so far has nothing to do with feeds.
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		<title>by: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31826</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31826</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Otherwise the idea of OPML Utils was that every del.icio.us tag would have an OPML, then my whole del.icio.us account would be a mother OPML.
This way I could browse my whole del.icio.us account in a widget&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you actually asking here for an opml file of your tags? that is, an opml file that points to feeds for each tag? ie a tag based delicious browser?

er the 30 item limit; not sure if thats a delicious thing; i';ll try an check when i get a chance;

&quot;With your del.icio.us Reading List hack form, it creates an OPML for feeds you have bookmarked (instead of bookmarking the usual HTML links). Will these OPML’s work in Grazr?&quot;

I don't know  - have you tried it? You probably know some of the OPML stuff I'bve built in the past better than i know it myself.. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Otherwise the idea of OPML Utils was that every del.icio.us tag would have an OPML, then my whole del.icio.us account would be a mother OPML.<br />
This way I could browse my whole del.icio.us account in a widget</p></blockquote>
	<p>Are you actually asking here for an opml file of your tags? that is, an opml file that points to feeds for each tag? ie a tag based delicious browser?</p>
	<p>er the 30 item limit; not sure if thats a delicious thing; i&#8217;;ll try an check when i get a chance;</p>
	<p>&#8220;With your del.icio.us Reading List hack form, it creates an OPML for feeds you have bookmarked (instead of bookmarking the usual HTML links). Will these OPML’s work in Grazr?&#8221;</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know  - have you tried it? You probably know some of the OPML stuff I&#8217;bve built in the past better than i know it myself.. <img src='http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31825</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31825</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OPML Manager is an alternative to OPML Workstation, from what I seem to remember in the past you could only create one outline per account…there are others&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True, but you if you have a gmail account you can sign up for multiple opml files on opmlmanager with email addresses like my.email+opmlFile1@gmail.com, my.email+opmlFile2@gmail.com,  etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>OPML Manager is an alternative to OPML Workstation, from what I seem to remember in the past you could only create one outline per account…there are others</p></blockquote>
	<p>True, but you if you have a gmail account you can sign up for multiple opml files on opmlmanager with email addresses like my.email+opmlFile1@gmail.com, my.email+opmlFile2@gmail.com,  etc
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		<title>by: Johnt</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31824</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31824</guid>
					<description>Adam,

Bookmarking feeds, bookmarking OPML.

Is this like a del.icio.us where the items you bookmark are not HTML pages, but feed pages or OPML URL's?

If I bookmark feeds will Grazr generate an OPML URL (who needs an RSS Reader after all).
I can do this with the del.icio.us Reading List hack cited in this post.
But the del.icio.us hack limits this to one tag, if I organise all my feeds (bookmarks) into tags, I can't generate a mother OPML Reading List.

Another thing I can't do with the del.icio.us hack is, if I bookmark OPML URL's, then use the hack to generate a root OPML from that tag.

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If I add my Bloglines OPML URL, can I bypass Grazr hosting it, so when I make changes it will reflect...this is what happens now when you make a widget, only you can't save these in your &quot;My Files&quot; area. You can only save Grazr OPML's in your &quot;My Files&quot; area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adam,</p>
	<p>Bookmarking feeds, bookmarking OPML.</p>
	<p>Is this like a del.icio.us where the items you bookmark are not HTML pages, but feed pages or OPML URL&#8217;s?</p>
	<p>If I bookmark feeds will Grazr generate an OPML URL (who needs an RSS Reader after all).<br />
I can do this with the del.icio.us Reading List hack cited in this post.<br />
But the del.icio.us hack limits this to one tag, if I organise all my feeds (bookmarks) into tags, I can&#8217;t generate a mother OPML Reading List.</p>
	<p>Another thing I can&#8217;t do with the del.icio.us hack is, if I bookmark OPML URL&#8217;s, then use the hack to generate a root OPML from that tag.</p>
	<p>&#8212;</p>
	<p>If I add my Bloglines OPML URL, can I bypass Grazr hosting it, so when I make changes it will reflect&#8230;this is what happens now when you make a widget, only you can&#8217;t save these in your &#8220;My Files&#8221; area. You can only save Grazr OPML&#8217;s in your &#8220;My Files&#8221; area.
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		<title>by: Johnt</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31823</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31823</guid>
					<description>Tony,

I like how you are using Grazr as an interface for your deliRolls.
If I include all my del.icio.us tags this is an OPML where I can browse all my del.icio.us feeds by tags, excellent.

This is where OPML Utils would go even further...I notice each of my del.icio.us feeds in deliRolls is showing the 30 latest bookmarks, but what about if I want to see all my bookmarks. Does RSS have a limit to how many items can be included, could you set it to all items ever?
Otherwise the idea of OPML Utils was that every del.icio.us tag would have an OPML, then my whole del.icio.us account would be a mother OPML.
This way I could browse my whole del.icio.us account in a widget.

Another thing...

With your del.icio.us Reading List hack form, it creates an OPML for feeds you have bookmarked (instead of bookmarking the usual HTML links).
Will these OPML's work in Grazr?

If I used different del.icio.us tags to organise different feeds, I'd have have an OPML for each tag, would I have an OPML for my whole account...if I did I could put this in Grazr, where all the tags are OPML includes.

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RECAP of OPML for del.icio.us tags, and OPML for whole account

If you bookmark feeds it will be lots of Reading Lists (tags) within the one mother Reading List.

The other eg is...

If you bookmark normal HTML links, it will again be smaller OPML's (tags) within a bigger OPML...this is browsing your whole account from a widget.

Or...

If you bookmark normal HTML links but each tag just has an RSS feed and doesn't have an OPML (just as it is now), will you be able to see every bookmark in each tag, does RSS have a limit in how many items can be in a feed.
This eg would not be smaller OPML's within a mother OPML, it would just be feeds within an OPML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tony,</p>
	<p>I like how you are using Grazr as an interface for your deliRolls.<br />
If I include all my del.icio.us tags this is an OPML where I can browse all my del.icio.us feeds by tags, excellent.</p>
	<p>This is where OPML Utils would go even further&#8230;I notice each of my del.icio.us feeds in deliRolls is showing the 30 latest bookmarks, but what about if I want to see all my bookmarks. Does RSS have a limit to how many items can be included, could you set it to all items ever?<br />
Otherwise the idea of OPML Utils was that every del.icio.us tag would have an OPML, then my whole del.icio.us account would be a mother OPML.<br />
This way I could browse my whole del.icio.us account in a widget.</p>
	<p>Another thing&#8230;</p>
	<p>With your del.icio.us Reading List hack form, it creates an OPML for feeds you have bookmarked (instead of bookmarking the usual HTML links).<br />
Will these OPML&#8217;s work in Grazr?</p>
	<p>If I used different del.icio.us tags to organise different feeds, I&#8217;d have have an OPML for each tag, would I have an OPML for my whole account&#8230;if I did I could put this in Grazr, where all the tags are OPML includes.</p>
	<p>&#8212;-</p>
	<p>RECAP of OPML for del.icio.us tags, and OPML for whole account</p>
	<p>If you bookmark feeds it will be lots of Reading Lists (tags) within the one mother Reading List.</p>
	<p>The other eg is&#8230;</p>
	<p>If you bookmark normal HTML links, it will again be smaller OPML&#8217;s (tags) within a bigger OPML&#8230;this is browsing your whole account from a widget.</p>
	<p>Or&#8230;</p>
	<p>If you bookmark normal HTML links but each tag just has an RSS feed and doesn&#8217;t have an OPML (just as it is now), will you be able to see every bookmark in each tag, does RSS have a limit in how many items can be in a feed.<br />
This eg would not be smaller OPML&#8217;s within a mother OPML, it would just be feeds within an OPML.
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		<title>by: Adam Green</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31819</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31819</guid>
					<description>John:

I misunderstood. You are right. You can upload a file from your computer to your account on grazr.com, but you can't upload a file from a server on the Internet to your account. That will be available soon. Probably within a month or less. 

The more important improvement will be adding bookmarks to feed or OPML URLs to your account. That means you will be able to add the URL for your bloglines subscription list, for example, to your Grazr.com account. When your subscriptions at bloglines change, the new version of the subscription list will be available on Grazr.com. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John:</p>
	<p>I misunderstood. You are right. You can upload a file from your computer to your account on grazr.com, but you can&#8217;t upload a file from a server on the Internet to your account. That will be available soon. Probably within a month or less. </p>
	<p>The more important improvement will be adding bookmarks to feed or OPML URLs to your account. That means you will be able to add the URL for your bloglines subscription list, for example, to your Grazr.com account. When your subscriptions at bloglines change, the new version of the subscription list will be available on Grazr.com.
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		<title>by: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31818</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31818</guid>
					<description>&lt;em&gt;Turning my OPML file into an OPML URL is great as it gives it visibility and people can do stuff with it (subscribe to it in their own OPML as an include or subscribe to it in an RSS Reader or email reader).

But I find I can’t use the full advantage of having a dynamic OPML URL, ie. to add and delete feeds, at the moment once I have created it, it becomes static, I can’t alter it.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.open.ac.uk/Maths/ajh59/009969.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Delicious2Opml Converter with optional deliSearch Tool&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;With Grazr now hosting OPML files (that you have to upload as a file from your desktop) the cut, paste and save as OPML route followed by the delicious2OPML utility maybe useful at last :-)
&quot;Firstly, I've added a couple of heuristics that will try to identify RSS and OPML feeds that have been bookmarked to delicious, and add them to the generated OPML file using an appropriate outline type.
&quot;Secondly, I've added the option to add a GrazrScript deliSearch form to the generated OPML. This form provides an interface to a deliSearch pipe on Yahoo that will search over the domains listed in the feed generated from the supplied delicious username/tag combination.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Turning my OPML file into an OPML URL is great as it gives it visibility and people can do stuff with it (subscribe to it in their own OPML as an include or subscribe to it in an RSS Reader or email reader).</p>
	<p>But I find I can’t use the full advantage of having a dynamic OPML URL, ie. to add and delete feeds, at the moment once I have created it, it becomes static, I can’t alter it.</em></p>
	<p><a href="http://blogs.open.ac.uk/Maths/ajh59/009969.html" rel="nofollow">Delicious2Opml Converter with optional deliSearch Tool</a></p>
	<p>&#8220;With Grazr now hosting OPML files (that you have to upload as a file from your desktop) the cut, paste and save as OPML route followed by the delicious2OPML utility maybe useful at last <img src='http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#8220;Firstly, I&#8217;ve added a couple of heuristics that will try to identify RSS and OPML feeds that have been bookmarked to delicious, and add them to the generated OPML file using an appropriate outline type.<br />
&#8220;Secondly, I&#8217;ve added the option to add a GrazrScript deliSearch form to the generated OPML. This form provides an interface to a deliSearch pipe on Yahoo that will search over the domains listed in the feed generated from the supplied delicious username/tag combination.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31817</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31817</guid>
					<description>Hi John
here's an example of a delicious doo dah wotsit thingy in grazr:
http://grazr.com/read/psychemedia/deliRolls.opml

I use opmlmanager.com to create opml files that provide navigation in the stringle environment: 
http://ouseful.open.ac.uk/stringle/stringleProfileSelect.php


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi John<br />
here&#8217;s an example of a delicious doo dah wotsit thingy in grazr:<br />
<a href='http://grazr.com/read/psychemedia/deliRolls.opml' rel='nofollow'>http://grazr.com/read/psychemedia/deliRolls.opml</a></p>
	<p>I use opmlmanager.com to create opml files that provide navigation in the stringle environment:<br />
<a href='http://ouseful.open.ac.uk/stringle/stringleProfileSelect.php' rel='nofollow'>http://ouseful.open.ac.uk/stringle/stringleProfileSelect.php</a>
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		<title>by: Johnt</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31816</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31816</guid>
					<description>Adam,

The &quot;My Files&quot; page only allows you to upload an OPML &quot;file&quot;, not an OPML &quot;URL&quot;.

This means if I have my Technorati Favourites OPML &quot;URL&quot;, I would have to save it to my PC, so it is a OPML &quot;file&quot;, in order to upload it to Grazr.

I'm excited about what's coming next.

Andrew,

I'm not quite sure how this is happening, in the &quot;My Files&quot; section you are uploading an OPML &quot;file&quot; which is static.
Unless you are not talking about the &quot;My Files&quot; section, you may be talking about bypassing the &quot;My Files&quot; section and &quot;Creating a Widget&quot;, you don't need to register to create a widget, and your OPML will stay the same, it won't become a Grazr OPML.
When you &quot;Create a widget&quot; your OPML changes will be dynamic.

But if you were to upload your OPML &quot;file&quot; and get it hosted by Grazr, and then create a widget, any changes you make to your original OPML won't reflect in your widget, as your widget is now based on a new Grazr hosted OPML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Adam,</p>
	<p>The &#8220;My Files&#8221; page only allows you to upload an OPML &#8220;file&#8221;, not an OPML &#8220;URL&#8221;.</p>
	<p>This means if I have my Technorati Favourites OPML &#8220;URL&#8221;, I would have to save it to my PC, so it is a OPML &#8220;file&#8221;, in order to upload it to Grazr.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m excited about what&#8217;s coming next.</p>
	<p>Andrew,</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure how this is happening, in the &#8220;My Files&#8221; section you are uploading an OPML &#8220;file&#8221; which is static.<br />
Unless you are not talking about the &#8220;My Files&#8221; section, you may be talking about bypassing the &#8220;My Files&#8221; section and &#8220;Creating a Widget&#8221;, you don&#8217;t need to register to create a widget, and your OPML will stay the same, it won&#8217;t become a Grazr OPML.<br />
When you &#8220;Create a widget&#8221; your OPML changes will be dynamic.</p>
	<p>But if you were to upload your OPML &#8220;file&#8221; and get it hosted by Grazr, and then create a widget, any changes you make to your original OPML won&#8217;t reflect in your widget, as your widget is now based on a new Grazr hosted OPML.
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		<title>by: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31812</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2007/03/22/when-will-grazr-let-you-create-opml-outlines/#comment-31812</guid>
					<description>I have a feeling I am using an older/different version of grazr but I plugged in a Blogbridge reading list as the opml file. Whenever I update the blogbridge list it is automatcially updated in the grazr display on either spittoon or spittoonextra. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have a feeling I am using an older/different version of grazr but I plugged in a Blogbridge reading list as the opml file. Whenever I update the blogbridge list it is automatcially updated in the grazr display on either spittoon or spittoonextra.
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