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April 26, 2006

Talkdigger : conversational bookmark folksonomy

Filed under: blogs, rss, conversation, search

I’ve posted lots of times on Talk Digger.
Simply type in a URL and it will show posts linking to it from various search engines, even generate an RSS feed, use it as a bookmarklet, put it in your post template…you can select from various engines (great for generating a Bloglines citation feed)…it will even de-dupe links.

You can do link searches at Technorati and other engines, then splice them together or just use Talk Digger.

Fred has noticed that some people have been bookmarking URL searches in del.icio.us…this is going further by bookmarking a webpage and the conversational webpages linking to it. But I suppose this is not to different than bookmarking a Technorati link search, only it is a meta-search.

He is now taking it towards the community and conversational arena, from the post:

“…I intend to create a community infrastructure, in order to:

Help people to define themselves by their works, their interests, and their relations with other people.
Help people to find someone that they could connect with.
Help people to get connected and communicate with other community members.
I also to create an upgraded infrastructure to track and define conversations, so as to:

Help people to easily track conversations.
Help people to find interesting conversations.
Finally, I plan to create an infrastructure that lets people easily enter into a discussion they have found using Talk Digger.”

From his latest post:

“As you probably know, Talk Digger is: a new way to find, follow and join discussions evolving on the Web. So you have three elements: (1) finding discussions, (2) following discussions and (3) joining discussions.

With the current version of Talk Digger, users get stuck at step one. These new improvements to Talk Digger will let its users to go ahead with the step two and three.

With these new features, Talk Digger will become a social platform that helps people to connect with other people that follow the same stories (the premise here is that people that follow the same discussions will also have some personal and professional interests in common). It will also become a search engine of its own, and not only a meta-one.”

Check out the screenshots:
Result page of conversations
A single conversation page.

It seems we will be able to tag discussions (link searches) within Talk Digger itself, so now others can browse the tags to find various discussions under a tag…our personal endeavours aggregate to social greatness…this is such a great idea, BlogPulse could of done this ages ago with its conversation tracker.

A single conversation page displays the conversation in full, with tags, the users who have bookmarked it, the users interests, and a comments form…you can also give a title and description of your bookmark.

This is very clever, first Talk Digger was just re-displaying various search engine link searches on the one page, but now it is allowing users to organise a search result into a folksonomy.
When users bookmark a search result (a conversation) they will give it a title, description and tags…this data will eventually go from just browsing to searching as well.

In the future I can see searching for conversations with a given tag (browse tags for now), search for terms in the tile and descriptions of bookmarked conversations…this will extend it into a human indexed conversation search engine.

Conversational List folksonomy

Something I’d like to do is manually piece together a conversation, bookmark it, tag it, and point to it
…something I was trying to explain in, Distributed conversations: pinging and tagging.
Kind of like a list folksonomy, like H20, but all you do is enter in a heap of links on a page, then tag that page, this page has a permalink so you can point to it.

The difference here is the you are manually constructing the conversation, whereas in Talk Digger the conversation in based on who’s linking to a post. The good thing about Talk Digger is that the RSS feed of a conversational bookmark will keep you up-to-date with the latest additions to a conversation.
But then again a manually constructed bookmark folksonomy can still have a feed for each conversation, if you want to add a new link to one of your bookmarked discussions, just open up the page and add the link to the bottom, the feed will inform us you have added a new link to the discussion.

In both types of conversation folksonomies you could also follow feeds for tags, if you follow the tag “opml” you will be alerted when someone has added a new conversation to the folksonomy and tagged it “opml”.

Once again, this is a great idea, a conversational bookmark folksonomy…with social networking features (user interests, user account).

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  1. Hi John,

    Thanks for that great blog post, it’s really appreciated.

    “It seems we will be able to tag discussions (link searches) within Talk Digger itself, so now others can browse the tags to find various discussions under a tag…our personal endeavours aggregate to social greatness…this is such a great idea”

    I thought about it during many days: would I call them “tags” or “categories”. My first assumption was that my mother would understand what a category is but not a tag. However I choose to call them “tags” because the word is much smaller and more direct. So, the first purpose of these “tags” is to let users dynamically categorize the conversations they are tracking, the second goal is to let people check (by searching) who are tagging (categorizing) conversations with a specific tag term.

    “you can also give a title and description of your bookmark”

    Right now it’s not 100% true because the Talk Digger crawler is crawling the web pages to extract the title and the description (in the meta-data or annotated RDF documents) of each page. But I am thinking about a way to let people giving their own title and description for a conversation and aggregating them in a certain way.

    “In the future I can see searching for conversations with a given tag (browse tags for now), search for terms in the tile and descriptions of bookmarked conversations…this will extend it into a human indexed conversation search engine.”

    You are right with this assumption, and I would add to that list many search options to search the user database. In fact, I spend much of my time trying to figure out how to create really powerful and flexible user profilse (that way I will be able to extend talk digger to discover social networks within it).

    If you check the “conversation page”, it is linking to the “seed” web page that “started” the “conversation”. That way, the Talk Digger Conversation Page will “enter” into the discussion by linking to it (so, each TD conversation pages have their own permalink). Also the “commenting feature” let TD users “entering” into the conversation only by leaving a comment on the “conversation” page.

    I hope that this comment put some light on what I going on!

    Thanks for everything John,

    Salutations,

    Fred

    Comment by Fred — April 26, 2006 @ 2:32 pm

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