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September 15, 2005

Remixable Web: Public RSS Aggregator

Filed under: General, blogs, rss, newsmaster

This was meant to be a comment left at Bud Gibson’s blog, but I kept getting denied so why not blog about it…here is his post on his live newsmastering project.

This newsmastering portal is aggregating blog posts as well as del.icio.us bookmarks, with categories/tags intact…it’s the best I’ve seen yet!

Body

Each post shows full-text or excerpts depending on how the individual blog owner has set their native RSS feed…each post also has a Date-mark, Title (links to the native site), and Topic.

There is also a link to the native blog, a link to the permalink at the native blog, and a link called Archive (the permalink)

…you can save the post to your del.icio.us account, and also click the Technorati link to see who is talking about that post in the blogosphere.

Sidebar

- Searchbox
- Browse by month (as mentioned each post is archived under a month)
- RSS feed
- OPML
- List of all sources (links to their sites, and links to their feeds)

The best part is that not only is the post/bookmark content re-syndicated, but so is the blog category or del.icio.us tag
…this means that you can view or discover posts by category (these categories seem to be a total of the categories in everyones blogs and tags in everyones del.icio.us accounts).
The presentation of these categories/tags are in a tag cloud, with the great feature of 3 sorting views: Recent, Alpha, Freq (great for discovery).

So if you click on a tag/topic/category in the tag cloud you can see all posts from all sources assigned with this topic all within the portal…now that’s outstanding.

Missing

Each post is discoverable 3 ways:

- Homepage (until it drops off)
- Month
- Category

The main thing missing is a permalink for each post, as the title links to the native site…what about having an additional link that is a permalink for that post within the portal.
[ADDED: See comments section]
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This way you can point to that post precisely to where it lives in the portal

….this is basically going beyond re-syndicating, and it would be truely re-publishing a blog post with a additional home (2 permalinks for the same post - one at the native site, and one in the portal)

…this would certainly require the authors content.

This included would make it a one-in-all powerful automated topic portal…this is Newsmastering at its best so far!

[ADDED: also missing is viewing all posts by one source….see comments section below]

[ADDED: also missing is comments and trackbacks for each permalink (Archive), this is a dicey issue…see comments section below]

Here is the comment I tried to leave on Bud’s blog.

I really enjoy reading your posts on newsmastering, you have great real life examples to demonstrate your ideas which makes it real, and not just talk.

Also I really think there is a market to offer users a system where they can use a free host to create a Branded Public RSS Aggregator
Blogdigger Groups isn’t cutting it any more, we need a free host that lets you set up a Newsmastering aggregator with ease (with the presentation and functional capabilities of FeedWordPress [eg], or PlanetPlanet [eg]).

So with the re-mixing process:

…you are harvesting categories from blog posts, and tags from del.icio.us
…so the categories in your Public RSS Aggregator are a total of the categories in everyone’s blogs and del.icio.us accounts
…this does make the categories in your Newsmaster Aggregator a bit messy, as some people may use the category/tag “tech”, and others may use “technology”
(but I guess this reflects the community so it’s a good thing, perfection and neatness may water down the colour of the tag set)

…unless your community decides on a thesaurus or synonym ring…but I suppose this isn’t very free like what web 2.0 is suppose to be…I suppose there are supplements like TagCloud, or k-collector…of course the idea is automation (last resort is having a human screening every post and applying a category).

At the moment I feel with choosing the right feeds, and re-mixing feeds you can make quality RSS radars, having all this content in the Newsmaster aggregator is one thing, but categorising it for discovery is another.

Also how does reBlog fit into this process?

I notice you can’t leave comments, which is a good thing, as the owner would rather have the comments on their own blog.

Imagine if your blog was re-syndicated on several portals, your comments would be distributed all over the place, and you wouldn’t even know people are commenting if you aren’t aware of all the portals your blog is in.

As mentioned next to each post is a Technorati link to see who is talking about that post, what about having a comments link that shows you the comments from the native post

…so each source or RSS feed (listed on the sidebar) would contain the post, category, and comments for re-syndication.

See my posts for more:
http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2005/08/25/public-rss-aggregators-functionality-and-copyright/
http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2005/09/09/cms-news-public-rss-aggregator/
http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2005/09/15/klog-news-public-rss-aggregator/

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  1. John:

    Thanks for the note. When you say you were denied posting a comment, do you mean on the community engine blog or the remix? I’ve been deluged by spam, so I wonder if my spam fighting is blocking legitimate commenters.

    A few additional notes:

    1. The monthly archives actually are permalinks, just permalinks within a page. I debated having a separate page and decided no because this was just meant to be a remix.

    2. Full content is searchable. I’m wondering how we could use tags in that.

    3. Tagging right now is just a union of what is in everyone’s blog. Tags are single words. I am hoping over time for convergence around some concepts. One way to help that is to get people aware of each others’ tags and start to use them conversationally. In other words, I’m looking for vocabulary convergence in tags with new vocabulary still popping up all the time.

    4. I will post more about reblog’s role in the future.

    Comment by Bud Gibson — September 15, 2005 @ 11:29 pm

  2. Bud,

    I didn’t notice that the archive links on every post were actually permalinks (whether within the page or on a new page really doesn’t matter I guess, as long as you can point to a specific post).

    I agree the best idea for topics is to let a vocabulary emerge within the group, something that evolves I guess.

    This newsmastering system you have come up with could be done without the owners of the source blogs and del.icio.us user accounts even knowing
    …all attributed to the power of RSS (passing around or helping yourself, to raw content, even manipulating it [ie. splicing, filtering]if you want, and then presenting it a new place).

    So if we expose our content by having the RSS version, we are exposing our content to people to re-syndicate (not only for private reasons ie. a Personal RSS Reader, but for public portals)…I guess every website can have a copyright notice.

    So the only thing missing in your experiment is comments and trackbacks for every permalink.

    What do you think of this, see my post and the comments:
    http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2005/09/15/informatory-newsmastery/

    Something I forgot to mention is that you can’t view all posts by the one source within the portal, as your source list on the sidebar doesn’t have hyperlinks (there are only links to the native site, and the native feed).

    On every post I noticed you have the source link, and the original link. The source links goes to the blog homepage, and the original link goes to the native permalink.
    If the post is from del.icio.us, the source goes to the del.icio.us user page, and the original link goes to the native permalink…you have covered all bases here, great stuff!

    To end..

    If you added a few features, like allowing comments and trackback for each post, and viewing all posts by one source this would truly be a hack of a multi-user blog system!

    Comment by Johnt — September 16, 2005 @ 3:14 am

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