Carnival of discussion
Carnival of the Infosciences is an idea that Greg at Open Stacks has initiated (although this concept is not new).
The idea is that a different blog hosts communally submitted content every week (that wasn’t put well)…here’s how Greg puts it:
“…an aggregation/roundup of the most interesting posts over a period of time, usually centering on a certain theme…the Carnival closes up shop and moves to a new blog location every week. The host blog’s author becomes the editor of the Carnival for that week”.
From another post:
“If you write something that you’d like more people to see (or write a blog that you wish more people visited), this is a way to get your stuff out there.”
“The purpose of this is to showcase the panoply of great writing within the LIS blogosphere and to expose the world to as many LIS blogs as possible, so let’s limit submissions to one per weblog per week. Naturally, we’re looking for submissions containing original thought and opinions, rather than regurgitation and reiteration. “
Here is the roster.
This is awesome, firstly you get kind of an editorial review of the week according to library blogs…the content is submitted or it is found via the blog hosts RSS reader collection…the latter is a good idea as each week you would see content coming from a different selection of blogs (unless everyone subscribes to the same library blogs, I don’t think so).
So not only is it good for a quick read on the latest according to library blogs, but it also generates discovery for new blogs…ie. the content may come from library blogs you don’t know about, and also the host blog may be a new discovery for some readers (so the carnival aspect is a great idea).
Another similar service for a weekly round up of library blogs is the This Week in LibraryBlogland series from the LISnews blog, the only thing is that this is always hosted on the same blog, and at a glance seems to be edited by the same person…so this isn’t as effective for discovery of fresh content, although still a great round up of some library essentials
…LibraryBlogLand happens every Monday, I couldn’t find a category for these posts (in order to make a category feed via Blogdigger) so I made a site search feed for the term: LibraryBlogLand via Feedster, I also made one at Feed Digest to see the difference.
Feedster RSS (LibraryBlogLand)
Feed Digest RSS (LibraryBlogLand)
I really like the idea of the travelling blog content, it’s like going to a dinner party at a different house every week…the host takes you for a tour of the house, “I like what you’ve done with the kitchen…I love these paintings”…similar to checking out someone’s blog, discovering the look of their blog and features they have, and the new discovery of checking out links within their content, and their blogroll, and maybe their incoming links, or del.icio.us links.
Carnival of discussion
Another idea would be to do a similar kind of thing, but instead of an editorial round-up, the blog host could initiate a discussion (kind of like a decentralise forum-this happens anyway in the blogosphere, but this is utilising it in an organised collective).
If the blog host had a thought provoking post (mini-essay, critique, journal article type, whatever…) this would be the grounds for some great discussion.
People do have these posts but not all of us may see them, so the idea of the Carnival is for exposure and discovery, and also to purposely initiate some discussion (with this exposure these type of blog posts would have heaps more comments and incoming links).
So how does the discussion take place?
…via comments, trackbacks, and/or incoming links (good old distributed conversations).
Problem is not all blog hosts may have trackbacks, and not all have an RSS engine incoming citations link at the end of every post
…so this may have to be done manually, maybe place a BlogPulse Conversation Tracker hyperlink at the end of the post (1st the post would have to be indexed by BlogPulse, then you’d go back and include the conversation seed link).
Preserving discussions
Unlike a forum where all conversation threads are stored under the one roof, with distributed conversations you’d have to go to the blog to view the discussion
…see an earlier post.
Firstly the roster could be hosted on a wiki (this kind of makes it everyone’s-communal and formal)
…then later you could add a link to the actual blog post under the blog host name in the roster.
You could also have a wiki page listing all the discussions, then click on the link of a discussion to see more details
…details could be the initial blog post (read the initial post, comments, and trackbacks directly from the blog post), another detail could be the BlogPulse Conversation Tracker link, and maybe also include a list of all the blog names that contributed to the discussion (from either the comments, trackbacks, or listed by BlogPulse).
NOTE: even though a new discussion is started weekly it doesn’t mean that the previous discussion has to end…
Another idea is that when a discussion has ended, maybe it could be re-published (full-text) and then you have to click to the native post to see the comments and trackbacks, etc… (this also allows to keep up with new comments, trackbacks, etc..as they are added).
This would make the wiki, more of just an index, but into a full-text archive of the initial discussi0n blog posts, but unfortunately it wouldn’t house the discussion threads so to speak.
So if we manually re-publish the initial blog post, what about the discussion…well maybe the discussion part can be re-syndicated into a wiki or even a blog (real time), to do this the blog host would need to offer an RSS feed for comments of a single post, and an RSS feed for trackbacks for a single post (sometimes these are collapsed into the same feed), otherwise an incoming links RSS can be generated from an RSS engine, but the RSS for comments on a single post would be essential.
A natural inclination would be to host this on a multi-user blog portal, but this defeats the purpose, the idea is to augment the distributed conversations in the blogosphere (no restrictions or pressure, don’t have to be part of a club, you can utilise your blog to take part in something then go on your own way if you like), there doesn’t need to be organisation of a system, let that flow organically, it’s just having a roster and then glueing the conversation by RSS…plus having members of a blog portal would ruin the discovery aspect (so we don’t want all the automation and convenience for this sytem to work well defeating the actual purpose of what we are trying to achieve in the first place).
All the wiki/blog would be doing is re-publishing or re-purposing the content, collecting stuff and organising it after the fact (I suppose using RSS is just after the fact, and is automatic-no fuss) into a presentation portal.
What it is not doing is setting up a publishing platform, the magic happens in the chaos of the web (people’s own blogs) and is glued by RSS and presented in an archive for a centralised browsing/searching starting point.
The Blog as a Sharp Tool for Research is a post by group blog Cosmic Variance (physics blog) that is playing around with similar ideas, but to accomodate for the nuances of the physics community
…Christina’s LIS rant quotes the important stuff from Clifford’s post.
In this example the word “system” seems to refer to a registery (kind of like the participation roster), and not a multi-user blog system, although it is suggesting to use the same blog (this seems more effort for participation)
…it isn’t taking advantage of people using their own blogs (benefits of discovering new blogs, and also people want to publish in their own blogs anyway…also getting away from the more centralised inhibited formal system).
In my ideal system you don’t need a blog to comment or be a member to comment, but you do need one to post (whether it’s adding to the discussion or the initial post itself-I suppose you could be a guest on a friends blog if you don’t have your own blog to host a discussion).
I think we have the new technology (RSS) to collate distributed conversations, so we don’t need a formal platform neccessarily, the only formal bit would be preserving the content in a wiki at the end (this way there is no formality of a system or club, it’s just freedom of discussion from your own place).
So I guess it’s not asking people to do anything new, it’s the blogosphere as per usual (posting from your own blog, and commenting on others)…the only difference is in the invitation to speak (stuff you’d speak about anyway)…and your post will have more exposure and is archived in a discussion portal (more for your money).
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